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Tape machine owners how do you afford tape
Tape machine owners how do you afford tape
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Does Mixing down to 1/4 inch give the same analog effect as recording with multitrack tape? I was thinking of sending stems to 8 track tape? Would 2 track give you same effect?
Let's say you have two synchronized 24trk multitrack machines or a combination of that.... no wait.... let's make it more simple.
Let's say you have a half-inch 8trk multitrack machine from some number of years ago. And let's say for a moment that you're back there... years ago.
1. Connect a mic etc into the console, set gainstage, activate trk#1 on the multitrack to record... and then record the signal.
2. Do the same, 5 more times on five additional tape tracks.
3. While playing the 6 trks of the machine back into the console.... let's say bass, mono drums, and 4 tracks of a lead guitar comp.....route tracks 3-4-5-6 of the 8trk machine out of the console and in to track 7 of the 8trk machine to bounce down your comp.
4. Erase tracks 3-6 as the comp is now on trk 7.
5. Overdub whatever else you want to fill the 8 tracks.
6. With the full 8trks routed to your console, play and set up a mix and route that out of your console to your 2trk mix down machine.
You now have your finished mix.
Okay... now jump back to the 21st century. You're looking at your daw, your interface card with its two analog outputs... and an old tape machine sitting there.
Whether you do.....or do not... do a routine like steps 3-4 (and if you are on an 8trk, I dunno how you WOULDN'T do sub-bounces for projects.... but that's not this topic).......
but whether you do or do not do steps 3-4....
ANYTHING you do with a one-pass route of stems out of your daw to that dusty tape machine at this point.........you have COMPLETELY LOST all the copper/silver/wiring/interfacejacks effects....PLUS the x number of times you piped a first or second gen tape track THROUGH the console (you'll do it at least twice no matter what.... unless you're using outboard stuff bypassing a console....but.... we're talking how YOU want to get an equivalent tape sound to ...back THEN)........
By taking a daw mix and routing it ONE TIME..... PROBABLY WITH NO CONSOLE ...direct into a 2trk tape recorder, you are piping a pretty pristine sound into a medium that (on a machine in good shape that hasn't fallen off a truck lately).... is probably pretty close in many ways to the signal you send into it.
The multi pass routing from a tape machine and console...... many many many times.... downing generations in the process.... at least 2.... and the wiring ..... is.....and I stand behind this..... where you get tape mojo.
Recording one pass pristine jazz into a halfinch two track with a pristine signal path on a direct-out or outboard pre circa for purist audiophiles......yawn....YAWN.....no magic in that.
So, short answer to your question is.....no.
But go ahead and try it. Your brain will say it's cool. Until it wants "a more authentic path". It's at that point (if you reach it), that you will work your tape machine like a dog and make it cry uncle from how hard you work it..... with a console of course as well.
You can not get mojo from tape unless you sweat... and make the machine sweat.... and w-o-r-k the process.
imo.... If you're doing .
Of course, you'll also need Bernie Grundman to master the 2trk to vinyl after you crawl in, exhausted from the project.
No it doesn't and here is why..... (prefaced by I dunno what you're recording.. a pristine jazz trio..I have no opinion... but if you're wanting a full-on TAPE sound from a very complicated weeks-long set of sessions with lots of overdubbing circa -.......Let's say you have two synchronized 24trk multitrack machines or a combination of that.... no wait.... let's make it more simple.Let's say you have a half-inch 8trk multitrack machine from some number of years ago. And let's say for a moment that you're back there... years ago.1. Connect a mic etc into the console, set gainstage, activate trk#1 on the multitrack to record... and then record the signal.2. Do the same, 5 more times on five additional tape tracks.3. While playing the 6 trks of the machine back into the console.... let's say bass, mono drums, and 4 tracks of a lead guitar comp.....route tracks 3-4-5-6 of the 8trk machine out of the console and in to track 7 of the 8trk machine to bounce down your comp.4. Erase tracks 3-6 as the comp is now on trk 7.5. Overdub whatever else you want to fill the 8 tracks.6. With the full 8trks routed to your console, play and set up a mix and route that out of your console to your 2trk mix down machine.You now have your finished mix.Okay... now jump back to the 21st century. You're looking at your daw, your interface card with its two analog outputs... and an old tape machine sitting there.Whether you do.....or do not... do a routine like steps 3-4 (and if you are on an 8trk, I dunno how you WOULDN'T do sub-bounces for projects.... but that's not this topic).......but whether you do or do not do steps 3-4....ANYTHING you do with a one-pass route of stems out of your daw to that dusty tape machine at this point.........you have COMPLETELY LOST all the copper/silver/wiring/interfacejacks effects....PLUS the x number of times you piped a first or second gen tape track THROUGH the console (you'll do it at least twice no matter what.... unless you're using outboard stuff bypassing a console....but.... we're talking how YOU want to get an equivalent tape sound to ...back THEN)........By taking a daw mix and routing it ONE TIME..... PROBABLY WITH NO CONSOLE ...direct into a 2trk tape recorder, you are piping a pretty pristine sound into a medium that (on a machine in good shape that hasn't fallen off a truck lately).... is probably pretty close in many ways to the signal you send into it.The multi pass routing from a tape machine and console...... many many many times.... downing generations in the process.... at least 2.... and the wiring ..... is.....and I stand behind this..... where you get tape mojo.Recording one pass pristine jazz into a halfinch two track with a pristine signal path on a direct-out or outboard pre circa for purist audiophiles......yawn....YAWN.....no magic in that.So, short answer to your question is.....no.But go ahead and try it. Your brain will say it's cool. Until it wants "a more authentic path". It's at that point (if you reach it), that you will work your tape machine like a dog and make it cry uncle from how hard you work it..... with a console of course as well.You can not get mojo from tape unless you sweat... and make the machine sweat.... and w-o-r-k the process.imo.... If you're doing .Of course, you'll also need Bernie Grundman to master the 2trk to vinyl after you crawl in, exhausted from the project.
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